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Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 15 Nov 2017, 18:41
by yogi
I read something recently about memory recall. They were working on how the brain actually recalls memories. The first time you recall a memory is pretty close to the original event, but perhaps some details are missing. When you wander back into consciousness, that altered version of the memory is stored in addition to the original in a sort of composite fashion. Do that often enough and you have a fuzzy recall of the original event. Obviously, some things don't change much, such as your name. You do recall that pretty well each time, hopefully. Something like your first kiss, however, gets altered each time you recall it.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 13:32
by Kellemora
I guess I'm not totally meshugenah yet. I can still remember what I did, or saw, in person, vs what I obtained or learned from pictures.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 05:05
by pilvikki
i was talking about images we build in our minds (if visual memory, of course). if someone says to me "remember our christmas tree at grandma's?" i will picture it as i recall. but... if someone says "remember the christmas tree at grandma's with the old star on top?"

originally i did not remember a star on it, but now there is one... if you ask about that tree in a year or two's time, there probably is a star on top.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 08:43
by yogi
that's a great example of altered memory recall.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 14:11
by pilvikki
see, that's why i'm quite reluctant to emphatically state something definitely happened in a certain way. got caught a couple of times and was rather :redface: :redface:

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 18:40
by yogi
No two people see things exactly the same way so that all our recalled memories are "to the best of my recollection."

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 15:51
by pilvikki
exactly. but why? why do we see the same thing, yet remember differently?

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:59
by yogi
Two or more people seeing the same thing and walking away with different perceptions isn't solely a memory recall problem. Our sensory organs are physically different as is our brain's processing ability. Add to that the fuzzy memory inherent to us all and it's amazing any two people can agree on anything. I think that's one reason there are twelve people on a trial jury. It assures that at least the major facts are agreed upon.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 14:43
by pilvikki
yes, i guess the male/female blue/green colour shift is a good example.

i did one of those colour perception tests to see i well i see colour nowadays, as my vision is slowly to pot. (can read the paper sans glasses on a bright sunny day, but see squat on a cloudy one). so i did very, very well.

great. but ask me to match some paint to my curtains - and i'll be sure to flunk! spectacularly. even while remembering to compensate for the evil fluorescents..

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 14:46
by pilvikki
someone said early onset dementia. i think.

:think:

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 06:48
by yogi
I don't know what all dementia entails. I do know that the differences in perception occur over all age groups. Back in the days when I worked for the cell phone company there was a team which did psycho acoustic testing. A group of people listened to normal phone conversation and were asked to rate the quality of what they heard. The same audio was played to everyone, but it sounded better or worse depending on color of lighting, temperature in the room, echoes, and a whole bunch of other environmental factors I can't think of right now. Psychology has a lot to do with how we perceive things, apparently.

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 15:07
by pilvikki
oooh, that's interesting! i know stress makes me stupid AF, and people need to repeat some simple instruction as if i'd just lost all my marbles... :eek: :eek:

Re: Is that all there is?

Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 16:12
by yogi
That acoustic lab was my favorite. Phones that sounded great outside sounded like crap inside. I have no idea what they did to compensate, but I'd guess it was a lot like what they do to hearing aides these days. You can get ones that will automatically adjust to your surroundings. I still haven't found anyone who is totally satisfied with their hearing aides though. LOL