When young girls were able to have an anti-HPV vaccine, it caused thousands of illnesses and 139 deaths. Couldn't this male version do the same thing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36388051
Anti-cancer jab for men
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Icey
Anti-cancer jab for men
I trial's being carried out in Wales of a new anti-cancer vaccine for gay men. The Terence Higgins Trust seems unhappy that the vaccine isn't going to be more widely tested, but I think that it's sensible not to rush it out for all and sundry.
When young girls were able to have an anti-HPV vaccine, it caused thousands of illnesses and 139 deaths. Couldn't this male version do the same thing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36388051
When young girls were able to have an anti-HPV vaccine, it caused thousands of illnesses and 139 deaths. Couldn't this male version do the same thing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36388051
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Apparently the vaccine isn't new. It's been given to young girls since 2008. Ten years in the field is the generally accepted time frame used to determine the effectiveness and benefits of any treatment. The question to be answered is do the benefits outweigh the risks? Given that the vaccine has been around for eight years it would have to be presumed it is beneficial. Either that or the health of young females is considered irrelevant.
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I am TOTALLY lost here! for one, they've given girls this vaccine without asking anyone's permission. secondly, cervical cancer is one of the slowest going and can be caught by regular pap tests. third: why only the girls? if it's sexually transmitted and most girls are straight, so... wtf?
then they're doing a pilot on gay men?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis ... dasil.html
aaargh! this is one case where i'm thinking it's all big pharma raking in billions. oh, and the flu vaccines.
then they're doing a pilot on gay men?
so...? you get the vaccination and STILL have to put up with the damn pap test! great.Protection from HPV vaccine is expected to be long-lasting. But vaccination is not a substitute for cervical cancer screening. Women should still get regular Pap tests.
response better? in what way?This HPV vaccine is recommended for girls and boys 11 or 12 years of age. It may be given starting at age 9.
Why is HPV vaccine recommended at 11 or 12 years of age?
HPV infection is easily acquired, even with only one sex partner. That is why it is important to get HPV vaccine before any sexual contact takes place. Also, response to the vaccine is better at this age than at older ages.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis ... dasil.html
aaargh! this is one case where i'm thinking it's all big pharma raking in billions. oh, and the flu vaccines.
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Icey
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Well, there's a high chance of oral, anal and penile cancers amongst gay men who don't use condoms. Maybe they don't realise that their activities can pass this on just as much as other various STIs. Penile cancer most often hits men of 50 or over, and these can be straight men, just as much as gay. It's been found that people with smegma or phimosis have an increased risk of penile cancer, and infections carried via this route can pass onto female partners as well - such as chlamydia. Some studies've seen a higher risk of cervical cancer in women whose blood test results show evidence of past or current chlamydia infection.
The vaccine for girls hasn't proved to be a good idea, and to administer it without parental consent was terrible, since had their parents intervened, a proportion of these girls wouldnt've become ill or died, but possibly the first thing to do is to educate young people about the risks of having early and unprotected sex. It'll always go on, but if the down side's explained very clearly and fully to youngsters, it may stop them from taking risks. It does seem to follow that the more information a person's armed with, the less chance of unwanted pregnancies and picking up STIs which could turn nasty.
The gay community need to be aware of the cancer risks, and the worst culprits're the bisexual ones or those who lead secret lives away from their heterosexual partners. It'd be very easy to unwittingly pass on some infection, or not to be totally careful about personal hygiene and then stand the risk of passing on of HPV. This doesn't cause cancer in itself, but can lead to conditions where some cancers're more liable to strike.
A vaccine for sexually-active people should be made available if the patient's cautioned about possible side effects first, but neither males or females should be forced into it or be given it secretly. I think more work needs to be done on this, and for trials to take much longer than at present.
The vaccine for girls hasn't proved to be a good idea, and to administer it without parental consent was terrible, since had their parents intervened, a proportion of these girls wouldnt've become ill or died, but possibly the first thing to do is to educate young people about the risks of having early and unprotected sex. It'll always go on, but if the down side's explained very clearly and fully to youngsters, it may stop them from taking risks. It does seem to follow that the more information a person's armed with, the less chance of unwanted pregnancies and picking up STIs which could turn nasty.
The gay community need to be aware of the cancer risks, and the worst culprits're the bisexual ones or those who lead secret lives away from their heterosexual partners. It'd be very easy to unwittingly pass on some infection, or not to be totally careful about personal hygiene and then stand the risk of passing on of HPV. This doesn't cause cancer in itself, but can lead to conditions where some cancers're more liable to strike.
A vaccine for sexually-active people should be made available if the patient's cautioned about possible side effects first, but neither males or females should be forced into it or be given it secretly. I think more work needs to be done on this, and for trials to take much longer than at present.
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are the girls cannon fodder and when they stop dropping dead, they figure it's fine tuned enough and ready for boys?
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Icey
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Well luckily, these jabs aren't compulsory in the UK, but I think they are in parts of the US. I think that the idea behind this was meant in a good way, and to protect sexually active girls, or those about to be, but it's all wrong to insist that they have the vaccinations, especially without parental permission and considering what might go wrong. These poor girls're just being used as guinea pigs, basically, and if I had a daughter, I'd take her out of school rather than knowingly allow her to have one of these jabs.
For a start, some girls might not become sexually active for years - and maybe one or two not at all - so how can the compulsory order be justified? It's not like every schoolgirl's going to get raped so needs it as a precaution, or that everyone who has sex's going to contract some unpleasant virus. Kids should be able to discuss things like sex and their bodies with their parents, so that when they feel that the time's come to embark on a physical relationship with a partner, their parents can have a talk to them about not only the physical side of things, along with the dangers, but the emotional side of things as well. Some parents still can't accept that their darling children're human beings, who have drives the same as all maturing adults, so they feel embarrassed to discuss the biological facts, and some still try to insist on virginity until marriage, but it's not so easy to implement is it? People do what comes naturally, but maybe dive into sexual relationships before they really get to know their partners - and their sexual history. I think it's important these days to have regular sex health check-ups before risking anything, and that goes for boys AND girls.
For a start, some girls might not become sexually active for years - and maybe one or two not at all - so how can the compulsory order be justified? It's not like every schoolgirl's going to get raped so needs it as a precaution, or that everyone who has sex's going to contract some unpleasant virus. Kids should be able to discuss things like sex and their bodies with their parents, so that when they feel that the time's come to embark on a physical relationship with a partner, their parents can have a talk to them about not only the physical side of things, along with the dangers, but the emotional side of things as well. Some parents still can't accept that their darling children're human beings, who have drives the same as all maturing adults, so they feel embarrassed to discuss the biological facts, and some still try to insist on virginity until marriage, but it's not so easy to implement is it? People do what comes naturally, but maybe dive into sexual relationships before they really get to know their partners - and their sexual history. I think it's important these days to have regular sex health check-ups before risking anything, and that goes for boys AND girls.
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still, virginity before marriage is such a bad, bad idea...
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Icey
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I think there's a yes and no there. I agree, based on the fact that if two people're incompatible sexually, it's best to find out before you marry them.
On the other hand, what you've never had before, you've never missed. A virgin couple'd probably be delighted with each other, since they'd have no previous experience to compare by.
On the other hand, what you've never had before, you've never missed. A virgin couple'd probably be delighted with each other, since they'd have no previous experience to compare by.
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also, unless you're super religious, any movie will give one a few ideas....
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Icey
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I see your points, yes.
The thing is, would you marry someone if you didn't want them to touch you? If you're in love with someone, intimacy's something that you WANT, not something you try to avoid - unless you've entered into a platonic relationship, or sex's out of the question due to some illness or deformity.
I also think that pornographic films give the wrong idea about what normal relationships're really like. If people feel that they have to live up to what they see others getting up to (which can be very hardcore and often not sexy, and certainly not loving, at all), they'll never really have a fulfilling sex life because they're trying to be something they're not.
The thing is, would you marry someone if you didn't want them to touch you? If you're in love with someone, intimacy's something that you WANT, not something you try to avoid - unless you've entered into a platonic relationship, or sex's out of the question due to some illness or deformity.
I also think that pornographic films give the wrong idea about what normal relationships're really like. If people feel that they have to live up to what they see others getting up to (which can be very hardcore and often not sexy, and certainly not loving, at all), they'll never really have a fulfilling sex life because they're trying to be something they're not.
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which reminds me... was in the clothing store with the kids today and there was a shirt hanging up on the wall. between the print having a fade effect on the bottom of the B and a fold in the shirt, the text proudly declared PORN TO ROCK!
then there is touching and erm... touching.
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Icey
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Oh dear!!!! Mistake, or deliberate???
Well you're right about movies having to add sex scenes. I think it all gets a bit boring after a while. It matters not to me if people want to writhe around with no clothes on, and simulate (or actually have) sex. It just becomes a bit of a yawn, and again, real-life encounters aren't quite the stuff of these films are they? They might be at first, while the passion's new, but it all dies down to a normal plateau once people get used to each other. A virgin couple wouldn't know the good from the bad though, would they? It'd just be fantastic to do SOMEthing!!! LOL.
Well you're right about movies having to add sex scenes. I think it all gets a bit boring after a while. It matters not to me if people want to writhe around with no clothes on, and simulate (or actually have) sex. It just becomes a bit of a yawn, and again, real-life encounters aren't quite the stuff of these films are they? They might be at first, while the passion's new, but it all dies down to a normal plateau once people get used to each other. A virgin couple wouldn't know the good from the bad though, would they? It'd just be fantastic to do SOMEthing!!! LOL.
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one was an ancient yellow trailer, shown bouncing around like a cartoon, another a hay loft.
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Icey
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Did you ever see the Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee one? LOOOOOL!
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Icey
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Someone had a copy and lent it to us. I watched it out of curiosity, and found it totally boring. Why do couples want to make sex tapes? Is it out of vanity that they want to watch themselves perform??