Actually, way too many Christians are using the NIV perversion of the bible.
It does a lot of weird things, like make Lucifer out to be Christ.
Give Jesus an earthly father.
I wrote a large article, and included excerpts from other writers about how bad the NIV really is.
And guess who OWNS the NIV?
The KJB bible is the only one that is public domain. All the rest have copyrights to them.
Even those that are word for word KJB, but have other things added in. It's those other things the copyright covers.
In the original English bible translated to modern English and sold as the KJB, it too has some major changes most Christians agree with, which is why the name Jesus, John, Joseph, Jeremiah, etc. are accepted.
You see, the letter J was not in use until the mid-17th century, and the KJB was rewritten to make heavy use of this new letter. The letter J was used as early as the late 15th century in scribes footnotes and margin notes, but never in the bible itself.
I have a 1611 version of the KIB (King Iams Bible), Iam was changed to James. And there is not a single letter J anywhere between those covers of the bible.
The thing about the KJV bible is that although the authors of the bible lived hundreds or thousands of years apart, before it was compiled into one book. All of the gospels and epistles, etc. are in complete harmony with each other.
You won't believe this, but I used to subscribe to the Chicago Sun Times, weekday editions, mailed to my home. I received it from around 1968 to around 1982. I didn't get the weekend paper due to the weight and higher cost of delivery. For out of state mailing, they did not include several pages, such as the local advertising sections, or classified/want ads section. I was also a Democrat back then too, hi hi. They had great articles in that newspaper, about almost everything!
Alexa vs Alexa
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The Tribune was #1 as far as newsprint was concerned, but the Sun Times had to be a close second. My parents didn't like either one and subscribed to the Chicago American. That's the paper I delivered for several of my teen years. I think the Daily News probably had more subscribers than the American, and I have no clue why my family chose to read what it did. They were certainly Chicago Democrats, but I don't recall a lot of political conversations while I lived at home. It just didn't interest them. On Sundays, right after church services, my parents would buy a Tribune and a Sun Times. They used to sell them right on the church property. As far as I was concerned the Sun Times had the best color comics of all three. That was the extent of my interest back then.
Given that all the books of "The Bible" were written many centuries ago, before there was modern English or the Arabic Alphabet for that matter, it seems like a moot point to be concerned about spelling of the characters therein. Translations are exactly that, translations. There is no direct English equivalent for ancient Hebrew, nor modern day Hebrew either. The New Testament likewise contains books written in non-English, and I would guess there too many words cannot be directly translated. I don't think people read the Bible for it's grammar. However, I do understand that it is important to get the meaning correct. It's the word of God, and you don't want to misquote the big guy.
I must defer to your expertise regarding Bibles and their origins, but I have some knowledge about how the composition of the Bible was accomplished. It's something to do with canons that specify which writings are in fact inspirations from above. I guess the scholars who made up the canons of the New and the Old Testaments had a better feeling for God's word than the rest of the scholars roaming about, but it always seemed questionable to me that us humans could determine the intent of what a being such as God is supposed to be. The canons didn't pop up after one meeting of the elders, and I understand that. It's still suspicious in my mind how something so sacred would depend on human interpretations and intuitions.
Well, I better not say much more or my ignorance of the topic will begin to show.
Given that all the books of "The Bible" were written many centuries ago, before there was modern English or the Arabic Alphabet for that matter, it seems like a moot point to be concerned about spelling of the characters therein. Translations are exactly that, translations. There is no direct English equivalent for ancient Hebrew, nor modern day Hebrew either. The New Testament likewise contains books written in non-English, and I would guess there too many words cannot be directly translated. I don't think people read the Bible for it's grammar. However, I do understand that it is important to get the meaning correct. It's the word of God, and you don't want to misquote the big guy.
I must defer to your expertise regarding Bibles and their origins, but I have some knowledge about how the composition of the Bible was accomplished. It's something to do with canons that specify which writings are in fact inspirations from above. I guess the scholars who made up the canons of the New and the Old Testaments had a better feeling for God's word than the rest of the scholars roaming about, but it always seemed questionable to me that us humans could determine the intent of what a being such as God is supposed to be. The canons didn't pop up after one meeting of the elders, and I understand that. It's still suspicious in my mind how something so sacred would depend on human interpretations and intuitions.
Well, I better not say much more or my ignorance of the topic will begin to show.
Re: Alexa vs Alexa
The comics were one of the reasons I chose the Chicago Sun Times, plus the articles were always great.
Politics was not a big thing when I was growing up either. I attribute this to most of the poly-TICK-ians back then were actually working for the people, no matter which party they were. In fact, back then, folks didn't necessarily vote by party, but by the person running, regardless of which party they were. There were not all that many folks who voted a straight party ticket, although it was an option on the ballot. But as the country kept getting more and more divided, so did the parties.
All I can say is, my family and relatives all voted Democrat their entire lives, up until JFK. After that, they began moving over to the Republican side of the ticket more and more. By the time I was 50 years old, maybe a tad older, all of my family and relatives had changed parties, only a couple still voted for one or two democrats in local elections.
The original books that became what we call a bible today, were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic languages.
Due to the many Hebrew scholars, there is almost no error in getting the Hebrew books written in English without altering any of the meanings. Most of the Greek and Aramaic were first translated to Latin, and then to the Kings English by Tyndale, who got hung for doing so. It was centuries later when the original scrolls were restudied and the bible rewritten once again, and again in the Kings English. And after years of scrutinizing every word in the bible, it was determined that the KIV was the closest to being accurate translations and meanings of the original texts. The KIV 1611 became the KJV 1769 when they added the letter J and rewrote it to make heavy use of that new letter. Ja, does not sound like Ya, or how do you get from Yahushua, to Jesus. I know how. The name Yahusua was Iasus in Greek. Sorta like the name Ian is John in modern name changing. They go by what the name means, not what it sounds like. The trouble with that is their is no sound in the world quite like the sound of your own name.
To prove that point, when I was teaching bible study classes at church, I used a naming equivalency chart and selected a name from it for each person in the class, being careful not to use someones actual name. Thus, the first day of class for the semester, when I called Roll Call, not a single person raised their hands, and the whole class kept looking around at each other. This was my lead-in for the topic I wanted to start off the semester with. I sure had a lot of folks scratching their heads for a month or so, wondering what I was up to, hi hi.
You are in essence right about man trying to interpret God's word. But this is the reason we now have so many different translations, and some of them are really bad. How do we know the KJV is the right bible? Other than spelling corrections, there has never been a change made to it, and folks are always comparing it to the most ancient writings and never find any discrepancies. Some think they find some, but then they find out why they thought that as they get into deeper portions of the scriptures. Some of the really bad bibles go off the deep end and say things that just or not true at all.
Think about today, there is an article that is the truth, another article that is propaganda, and another article that was partially based on truth but with a twist of propaganda mixed in with it, which changes the meaning of the truth.
Now, 1000 years from now, all of those articles will be available, so how will they know which is the truth, and which was propaganda, and which was a mix of the truth with the propaganda. It would take a lot of study to learn which article was the truth and which wasn't.
Or, one man told a story the way he saw it, and another many told the same story the way he saw it, and both of their stories are accurate, but seem to conflict. We find this in the gospels. But it is not a problem when you look at the time frame in which each person saw what they saw. For e.g., the first man was there and saw the hanging, the second man came along later after the hung man's rope broke and he was on the ground with his belly slashed open from the sharp rock he landed on.
Same story, both accurate, even if they don't seem like it at first, they only appear to be in conflict with each other.
And that's enough of the Holy Roller episode for this month, hi hi.
Politics was not a big thing when I was growing up either. I attribute this to most of the poly-TICK-ians back then were actually working for the people, no matter which party they were. In fact, back then, folks didn't necessarily vote by party, but by the person running, regardless of which party they were. There were not all that many folks who voted a straight party ticket, although it was an option on the ballot. But as the country kept getting more and more divided, so did the parties.
All I can say is, my family and relatives all voted Democrat their entire lives, up until JFK. After that, they began moving over to the Republican side of the ticket more and more. By the time I was 50 years old, maybe a tad older, all of my family and relatives had changed parties, only a couple still voted for one or two democrats in local elections.
The original books that became what we call a bible today, were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic languages.
Due to the many Hebrew scholars, there is almost no error in getting the Hebrew books written in English without altering any of the meanings. Most of the Greek and Aramaic were first translated to Latin, and then to the Kings English by Tyndale, who got hung for doing so. It was centuries later when the original scrolls were restudied and the bible rewritten once again, and again in the Kings English. And after years of scrutinizing every word in the bible, it was determined that the KIV was the closest to being accurate translations and meanings of the original texts. The KIV 1611 became the KJV 1769 when they added the letter J and rewrote it to make heavy use of that new letter. Ja, does not sound like Ya, or how do you get from Yahushua, to Jesus. I know how. The name Yahusua was Iasus in Greek. Sorta like the name Ian is John in modern name changing. They go by what the name means, not what it sounds like. The trouble with that is their is no sound in the world quite like the sound of your own name.
To prove that point, when I was teaching bible study classes at church, I used a naming equivalency chart and selected a name from it for each person in the class, being careful not to use someones actual name. Thus, the first day of class for the semester, when I called Roll Call, not a single person raised their hands, and the whole class kept looking around at each other. This was my lead-in for the topic I wanted to start off the semester with. I sure had a lot of folks scratching their heads for a month or so, wondering what I was up to, hi hi.
You are in essence right about man trying to interpret God's word. But this is the reason we now have so many different translations, and some of them are really bad. How do we know the KJV is the right bible? Other than spelling corrections, there has never been a change made to it, and folks are always comparing it to the most ancient writings and never find any discrepancies. Some think they find some, but then they find out why they thought that as they get into deeper portions of the scriptures. Some of the really bad bibles go off the deep end and say things that just or not true at all.
Think about today, there is an article that is the truth, another article that is propaganda, and another article that was partially based on truth but with a twist of propaganda mixed in with it, which changes the meaning of the truth.
Now, 1000 years from now, all of those articles will be available, so how will they know which is the truth, and which was propaganda, and which was a mix of the truth with the propaganda. It would take a lot of study to learn which article was the truth and which wasn't.
Or, one man told a story the way he saw it, and another many told the same story the way he saw it, and both of their stories are accurate, but seem to conflict. We find this in the gospels. But it is not a problem when you look at the time frame in which each person saw what they saw. For e.g., the first man was there and saw the hanging, the second man came along later after the hung man's rope broke and he was on the ground with his belly slashed open from the sharp rock he landed on.
Same story, both accurate, even if they don't seem like it at first, they only appear to be in conflict with each other.
And that's enough of the Holy Roller episode for this month, hi hi.
Re: Alexa vs Alexa
The sticky point in my mind in regard to the Bible isn't actually its interpretation and associated errors. I've read in many places that there is a lot more literature out in the wilds that is Bible worthy but was not included. The scholars who reviewed it all took centuries to do their job and they apparently had a specific criteria for a book/letter to be included. One of those criteria was that the prophet authoring a particular script had to be inspired by God. That makes sense. How else could you preserve the Words of God? A lot of research and contemplation was done, not to mention the discussions held by Bible scholars. At the end of the day a consensus was reached and some particular manuscript was dubbed worthy of being included in the Testaments, Old and New. It all seems logical except for one minor detail. They were all human beings judging what might have come from God Almighty. There is no agreement today, and certainly was no agreement a few thousand years back, regarding exactly who or what God is. In fact I was taught that it is impossible to know God. We simply have to believe. So, for all I know, there is no god and those Bible scholars were wasting their time.
My parents were self-avowed Democrats. As far as I can tell their justification was the Republicans are no good. As I said, there wasn't a lot of political talk that I can remember and it's difficult to say what, if any, philosophy my family was following. The best guess I can make is that living in Chicago under the alderman system of governing, the Democratic alderman for our district came around from time to time simply to talk to people. They also sent their cronies with pockets full of $20 bills around election day, but my parents and the whole family just knew and were buddies with the Democrat in charge. I think the Republican candidates simply gave Chicago to the Democrats and never bothered to seriously campaign in the city. In retrospect that looks as if it was a mistake, but it explains why my family favored the political party they did.
Here in 2022 the population in general is better educated. They may not know their representatives as well as my parents knew theirs, but today's crowd is more in tune than were my family members with the issues. The issues of day and the philosophy behind them has divided things into many sub divisions of the two major parties. You have liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats for example, albeit they are in the minority. Then there are the Libertarians, the Socialists, the Progressives, and groups of people whose only idea about governance is based on anarchy. The creepy part of all these minority groups is that a few of them have been elected into office. In other words they have enough backing to get at least one of their kind into congress. That could not happen back in my parents' voting days.
And just to give an example of how convoluted politics is now and days, I am certain you know of the committee investigating the January 6th events. They went on prime time television recently and called up some very interesting witnesses, mostly Republicans. They all detailed a lot of nefarious activity by the previous president which was heretofore unknown publicly. While that made for some great testimony most of those witnesses admitted afterward that they would support Donald Trump should he be a candidate again in 2024. There is something very wrong here, and it doesn't look good for our future.
My parents were self-avowed Democrats. As far as I can tell their justification was the Republicans are no good. As I said, there wasn't a lot of political talk that I can remember and it's difficult to say what, if any, philosophy my family was following. The best guess I can make is that living in Chicago under the alderman system of governing, the Democratic alderman for our district came around from time to time simply to talk to people. They also sent their cronies with pockets full of $20 bills around election day, but my parents and the whole family just knew and were buddies with the Democrat in charge. I think the Republican candidates simply gave Chicago to the Democrats and never bothered to seriously campaign in the city. In retrospect that looks as if it was a mistake, but it explains why my family favored the political party they did.
Here in 2022 the population in general is better educated. They may not know their representatives as well as my parents knew theirs, but today's crowd is more in tune than were my family members with the issues. The issues of day and the philosophy behind them has divided things into many sub divisions of the two major parties. You have liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats for example, albeit they are in the minority. Then there are the Libertarians, the Socialists, the Progressives, and groups of people whose only idea about governance is based on anarchy. The creepy part of all these minority groups is that a few of them have been elected into office. In other words they have enough backing to get at least one of their kind into congress. That could not happen back in my parents' voting days.
And just to give an example of how convoluted politics is now and days, I am certain you know of the committee investigating the January 6th events. They went on prime time television recently and called up some very interesting witnesses, mostly Republicans. They all detailed a lot of nefarious activity by the previous president which was heretofore unknown publicly. While that made for some great testimony most of those witnesses admitted afterward that they would support Donald Trump should he be a candidate again in 2024. There is something very wrong here, and it doesn't look good for our future.
Re: Alexa vs Alexa
Most of the bibles actually only come two major sources, one is deemed accurate and the other as just bits and pieces.
Sounds about the same in St. Louis as in Chicago. Which is why it has always been a Democratic city.
But in our family, I think the big factor had to do with grandkpa and the founding of our town under home rule.
It was closer to the way Democrats think than Republicans of that era.
Back then, Democrats were heavily for the people and small businesses, while Republicans were for themselves and big business.
Somewhere along the line, those tables got reversed.
Ironically, I usually voted Third Party, although I knew they would never get in.
So in that sense, I wasted my vote, but I didn't like either of the top party candidates running.
Heck, I still have a Ross Perot bumper sticker sitting here on my curio shelf, hi hi.
What took place on January 6th was exactly the opposite of what the mainstream media has played it out to be.
It was a Democratic Guard who opened the gate and told the folks to come on in.
Trump said he wanted no violence several times, just a peaceful protest.
But look at who was stirring the pot!
Sounds about the same in St. Louis as in Chicago. Which is why it has always been a Democratic city.
But in our family, I think the big factor had to do with grandkpa and the founding of our town under home rule.
It was closer to the way Democrats think than Republicans of that era.
Back then, Democrats were heavily for the people and small businesses, while Republicans were for themselves and big business.
Somewhere along the line, those tables got reversed.
Ironically, I usually voted Third Party, although I knew they would never get in.
So in that sense, I wasted my vote, but I didn't like either of the top party candidates running.
Heck, I still have a Ross Perot bumper sticker sitting here on my curio shelf, hi hi.
What took place on January 6th was exactly the opposite of what the mainstream media has played it out to be.
It was a Democratic Guard who opened the gate and told the folks to come on in.
Trump said he wanted no violence several times, just a peaceful protest.
But look at who was stirring the pot!
Re: Alexa vs Alexa
i have a suspicion that most big cities in this country operated in a fashion similar to Chicago. Chicago, however, perfected the crony system which had it's roots going back to the days of Al Capone. I think the mob got into every large city's politics, but Chicago was notoriously famous for it all. Be that all as it may, the crime families did operate like ... a family. I think that fit in with the basic tenets of the Democratic party that favored unions and the working class people. It's still pretty much the case here in 2024 where the major population centers are leaning Democratic while the suburbs and more rural areas are Republican oriented. I'm not sure about it, but it does in fact look a lot like what was going on in the times of Abraham Lincoln were the rural South was more conservative than the liberal North. The south was dominated by plantations while the north was mostly populated into cities.
It's probably best we don't get into the details of what the select committee in congress is up to these days. I will say that I am more than stunned by the contrast in viewpoints. People always had differences, but today it's being driven by extreme radicalism. That means it's out of control, which prompted my closing statement from above, "There is something very wrong here, and it doesn't look good for our future."
It's probably best we don't get into the details of what the select committee in congress is up to these days. I will say that I am more than stunned by the contrast in viewpoints. People always had differences, but today it's being driven by extreme radicalism. That means it's out of control, which prompted my closing statement from above, "There is something very wrong here, and it doesn't look good for our future."
Re: Alexa vs Alexa
Sounds right to me Yogi! You have to be a crook to be a poly-TICK-ian, hi hi.
You are also right about the gap between left and right going to extremes, this is true on both sides of the fence.
People these days have no qualms about breaking the laws they forced to be established.
Most of my years growing up, we left the windows open, and often the keys in the ignition when we went shopping.
Do that today and you won't have a car when you come back out. Leave the windows open and everything inside the car will be gone, from the radio to possibly even the seats, hi hi.
You are also right about the gap between left and right going to extremes, this is true on both sides of the fence.
People these days have no qualms about breaking the laws they forced to be established.
Most of my years growing up, we left the windows open, and often the keys in the ignition when we went shopping.
Do that today and you won't have a car when you come back out. Leave the windows open and everything inside the car will be gone, from the radio to possibly even the seats, hi hi.