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not just US...

Post by pilvikki » 12 May 2018, 16:44

a finnish shoe polish ad from the 20's.

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Post by yogi » 12 May 2018, 17:18

Things were different in the twenties. I recall reading a script from a Marx Brothers show, perhaps a movie, where there were many references to dagos, whops, and niggers. It was shocking to read this in the eighties especially since I held the humor of the Marx brothers in high regard.

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Post by pilvikki » 13 May 2018, 06:35

never was much of a Marx fan, i lean more towards a routine like "who's on first."

then there was another page showing how incredibly racist finns were. except they'd mistranslated the word negro into having meant nigger. this makes a big difference and it was on imgur so i couldn't even yell at them.

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Post by yogi » 13 May 2018, 08:03

I monitor Imgur and have commented on a few posts there. It's all done in the space below the video/images.

The thing about racism is that it was not taken the same way back in the roaring twenties as it is these days. Racism was simply an accepted fact of life until somebody figured out that people are getting screwed without being kissed. I know there is a lot of intolerance for non-Brits going on in the UK, but have always thought of Scandinavians as being more progressive and liberal. It is humorous to see a clearly American pejorative misused in a foreign language. You see a lot of that on FB in Russian sponsored content, but they are not the only ones.

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Post by pilvikki » 14 May 2018, 16:01

i would have commented, but oh, you need to log in. and it turned into a big hassle.

n/m.

in finland the big issue was, and still is in certain circles, the 'blacks ones', the finnish word for roma. come to think of it, i don't know what african people are called.

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Post by yogi » 14 May 2018, 16:56

I believe that what we know as racism is everywhere. A comment I read many years ago noted that there is only one race, i.e., the human race. Apparently anthropologists don't get the philosophy behind that observation and have divided us into at least 5 different races:
  • Caucasoid (White) race.
    Negroid (Black) race.
    Capoid (Bushmen/Hottentots) race.
    Mongoloid (Oriental/ Amerindian) race.
    Australoid (Australian Aborigine and Papuan) race.
I think a lot of what we call racism these days is actually an attack on different cultures, which may be contained within a single race. It's complicated, but boils down to hate any way you look at it.

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Post by pilvikki » 20 May 2018, 15:07

exactly!

personally i don't get it, yesterday's train ride i was sitting next to a black, rather a brown, girl that was absolutely stunningly beautiful. no idea what "race", "species", whatever she was, but the result was awesome. yet some will dismiss her as "one of those" because she wasn't the unhealthy pink hue of most of the other passengers.

daft.

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Post by yogi » 20 May 2018, 17:53

I don't know if it's a stereotype or not, but the word on the street is that racism is practiced more openly in England (probably the entire UK) than it is elsewhere in the world. The defense for that bias is interesting. Brits have a heritage that goes back many centuries. There is a feeling for a need to preserve that heritage and all the traditions that go along with it. This urge to preserve is a major factor in their immigration policies, but the bias goes right down to the grass roots. In this country your are considered to be an "animal" (so said the Chief of State recently) if you are not white. White supremacy is not exactly the same as preservation of one's heritage, but both concepts base on fear and loathing.

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Post by pilvikki » 24 May 2018, 08:32

you got that right! and should you suggest to an alt-right anywhere that their idiotic world view is based on fear, well!
it's one thing to be stupid, another to fiercely cling to and defend it.

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Post by yogi » 24 May 2018, 09:20

It's interesting to listen to the Right Wing Nuts expound upon their philosophies. You have been around this kind of bulletin board for as many centuries as I have, and those extreme Right Wing-ers have been with us since the dawn of the Internet. I'm sure you would find some interesting reading in our archives. The extremist, for reasons unknown to me, always lean in a God fearing conservative direction. There are some good values in that sort of doctrine, but there is no rationale. Aside from the obvious power play, what is the compelling argument to support white supremacy, for example? The argument I've read most often is that I'm a jackass liberal, which may or may not be correct. But, what does that have to do with advocating one race over another? Today the alt-right is said to be suffering from cognitive dissonance. Sounds right to me. :mrgreen:

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Post by pilvikki » 24 May 2018, 17:39

that's not all it's suffering from...

meanwhile, it is quite fascination to see how they operate, breaking down to name-calling when all else fails. a few minutes ago i was reading this board on wolves and ye gods, do they get vicious when you suggest that they're wrong about wiping them all out! it's the same plot, like this genius of a woman said (paraphrased) "congratulations to the young boy for killing the wolf and protecting god's creatures"

wait... what?

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

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Post by yogi » 25 May 2018, 07:56

I saw a picture of a huge pile of shoes on FB yesterday. The caption was something about them belonging to the Jews in WWII Europe who gave up their guns and were promptly escorted to the "showers." Somehow that is supposed to be the argument against any legislation to regulate or ban guns that people use to shoot up school children in America, ca 2018. When you ask for some logic to that, the response is name calling.

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Post by pilvikki » 25 May 2018, 12:45

yes, this argument has frequently been trotted out and the brain-washing, fear tactics, segregations etc leading up the pile of shoes is completely ignored. just like it was then, but the different reason that this horror was inconceivable to anyone normal.

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Post by yogi » 25 May 2018, 14:20

I would point out that the UK, England in particular, was victimized by Hitler and his Nazis. They know what it's like to be on the receiving end of carpet bombing. I would also point out that gun ownership is prohibited for the most part and highly regulated for those who choose hunting as a sport. I've not seen any photos of shoes piled shoulder high nor heard any stories of unarmed Brits being exterminated in England after the war. Must be some kind of coincident.

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Post by pilvikki » 25 May 2018, 17:01

true enough.

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