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Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 09 Apr 2019, 18:39
by yogi
I guess that's one way to look at it. To me it's a convenience I refuse to take advantage of because it is demeaning. I like airhead till tarts who don't know what fennel is and must ask me to identify what I am trying to buy. The self-checkout is offering you a discount in terms of the amount of time you must wait in line for somebody else to bag your groceries. You have that option as a customer and not as an employee. But then you know that already. To me it's a bit like Farcebook which offers their website "free" of charge ... if you don't mind them doxing you for the rest of your life and selling your personal information to anybody who would buy it. Yeah, it's free, for a price.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 10 Apr 2019, 10:33
by Kellemora
I remember when it was ILLEGAL to stop at a gas station and pump your own gas. Neither the fire marshal or insurance companies would allow it.
Somehow they managed to get self-service pumps authorized for use, and many gas station installed at least one of these. The price of the gas at the self-service pump was always at least a nickel cheaper than at the full-service pumps.
I don't know about elsewhere, but some of our larger gas stations had full-service pumps close to the building, then the next tier out were semi-service pumps, and further out were the self-service pumps.
At semi-service pumps they only checked your oil, did not check the tires or always wash the windshield but asked.

Pete Mertz ran our local Mobil gas station, it started by someone else from around 1910 forward. Back then they had to hand crank the gas into the glass cylinder at the top. But jumping ahead to the '50s and '60s, when they said full-service, they meant full-service. The wiped the headlights, taillights, parking lights, back and side windows, besides checking the oil, air in tires, and washing the windshield and checked the wiper blades. And they did all this in the time it took to fill the tank too, and you got change back from a 5 dollar bill, at least in the beginning of when I started driving, hi hi.

I drove out to Denver Colorado right before I turned 17, and on the open road, going through Kansas, there were self-service pumps back then, with no attendant on sight either. Gas at these lonely pumps in the middle of nowhere was only 15 cents. The pumps only took quarters, but the slide bar you put the quarters in could hold up to four quarters at once.
If I recall, these were owned by Cities Service, but I could be wrong, that was over 50 years ago. I do remember they did not run on electric, after you put your quarters in you had to turn a crank on the side of the pump until it stopped and wouldn't turn, and/or freewheeled.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 10 Apr 2019, 15:35
by yogi
I remember the days of "full service" gas stations. Gas was cheap and service was great. But, that was back in the '60s. We've come a long way since then. There will be a time in the not too distant future when gas stations will be on the verge of extinction. People then will be looking back at us lamenting how cheap and easy it was to fuel up an automobile. LOL

I heard about those hand cranked pumps, but fortunately never had to use one.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 10:16
by Kellemora
Had an uncle who worked for Ford, and every once in a while, he had an experimental car to use.
I had phun driving the one that was hydraulic drive. Not the first prototype that was dangerous to drive, but the second one was easy, just like a regular car, however, the sound of the engine could drive you bonkers, since the rpm it was turning had nothing to do with the speed you were driving.
You got off the highway and pulled up to a stop sign and the engine would still keep running at a high rpm until the hydraulic pressure in the tanks was back up to normal.
By the same token, you could punch-it away from a stop sign, even burn a little rubber, and the engine would still be at idle for a few hundred feet.
Another car he had, which is why I brought them up, used SOLID FUEL blocks.
I never did quite understand what happened when you placed a fuel block in the fuel box, but apparently the box becomes under pressure and this causes the solid block to either become liquid or turns it into a gas slowly. I do know once you closed the fuel box door, it sealed and you could not open it again until it was back down to zero pressure inside.
The fuel blocks would not evaporate in open air, but I think they could possibly burn.
He only had this car for a couple of weeks, and they scrapped the idea.
The only thing I do remember is he said it was NOT hydrogen, but still a refined light oil, that made the blocks.
I did not get to drive the solid fuel car, and was only lucky he let me drive both of the hydraulic cars he drove, and even then the first one was only on our farm property, the second one he let me take out on the highway, all the way from his house to mine and back. He rode with me so I couldn't see what it could do hi hi.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 11:08
by yogi
Those experimental cars must have been awesome to drive. I can't imagine the speed of the car not matching the rpm of the engine. LOL I never owned anything weird like those prototype cars but I did make an investment in a company that was trying to build and market a nuclear powered automobile. They never got approval from the AEC to sell or manufacture it and their stock crashed the day they were turned down. Fortunately I sold just before that. In any case I can't imagine what was in that nuclear powered engine. It probably was a misnomer for steam engine, but I never did find out the details. All I was looking for at the time was a quick buck. I made a few dollars there because I was lucky, but not enough to say I made a killing.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 12 Apr 2019, 09:13
by Kellemora
I played with a few penny stock, but only from local companies where I knew what they were doing. Usually it was because they wanted to add something new to their line-up and needed the funds to produce it. More often than not, even if the product was made and put on the market, sales were not high enough for them to make a profit from it. But all was not always lost. When they sold the equipment, and/or raw inventory, if there was an excess, it went back to those of us who bought into the division. We may have got back ten to fifty bucks for every hundred we invested, so it was not a total loss. However, we often dealt with the same company on other things, and came out ahead on enough of them that over the big picture we didn't lose money, but never made a killing either.

The first hydraulic car would have been deadly to put on the road. I don't think it was really intended to go into production the way it was built either. They were just mainly testing the engine/hydraulic system. It only had one pedal on the floor, push the pedal forward to go frontwards, pull it back to center to stop with your heel, and if you wanted to back up, you pushed harder on your heel. The only time I drove it I was on the dirt road behind our greenhouses. When I went to stop, I ended up pressing too hard on my heel and was moving forward in reverse with the tires tossing up dirt, hi hi.

Now the second car I really did like, and am surprised it didn't go into production. You had the acceleration power of big block engine, even though the car only had a little 4 cylinder engine in it. The only thing the engine did was run a pump to pressurize the hydraulic storage cylinders. I really didn't quite understand how they did this, since hydraulic fluid cannot be compressed. We had a couple of tractors with hydraulic attachments, like a yard bucket and small backhoe, which could be removed and a post hole digger put in its place.
The second car worked just like a car with an automatic transmission, you had the accelerator pedal, and the brake pedal, although it did not control the gas nor did the car have brakes per se.
Unlike how the hydraulics worked on the tractor where if you let go of a lever, the bucket stopped. In this car, when you took your foot off the accelerator it didn't stop the flow of hydraulics to the wheels, just slowed down until you came to a stop. You could actually drive around town and never touch the brake pedal, and the car wouldn't roll back on a hill.
The brake pedal more or less controlled how fast the accelerator pedal would decelerate, unless you pressed down to stop really fast. To go in reverse, you had to flip a lever on the console, almost the same as putting a car in reverse.
The only time the engine seemed to be in tune with the speed you were driving is when you were on the highway and holding a steady speed of 65 mph, that was its limit. You could get it up to around 75 mph right as you came off the entrance ramp to the highway, but soon the hydraulic tanks equalized with what the engine could produce and you were back down to 65 mph again, or sometimes a little slower if you were on a hill.
If you slowed down to around 55 and held it there, you would have enough pressure built up to make a quick jump back up to around 75 mph for about ten seconds.
And as I said earlier, when you got off at an exit and hit the red light at the top of the ramp, you would be sitting still and the engine would still be running at around 3 grand until the tanks pressure built back up, then it would drop down to an idle.
Going from boulevard stop to boulevard stop, like going through Kirkwood was interesting. The engine stayed at idle all the way up to the next stop sign, but while you were sitting there waiting for your turn to go, the engine would speed up again, just a little, but enough that the first few times it did it, it scared the bejesus out of you, thinking you would take off like a rocket. Even so, you got used to it real fast.
I had phun driving this car a couple of times while uncle Herb had use of it.
Seems like, if I remember from back then, they had trouble with excessive vane wear, which would make it lose power both forward and braking. Perhaps the problem was too much to overcome back then too.

Our Internet was out from about 8pm yesterday until 7am this morning, then went out again when I answered the last message. I was glad to see it come back up before the message was lost. I'm going to save this one before hitting send, because I don't see any activity in my monitor in the upper panel, other than my local LAN signals.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 13 Apr 2019, 09:48
by yogi
I saw a concept car at an auto show in Chicago that I thought was a great idea and would be generally available in a short time. It eliminated the steering wheel and replaced it with two joy stick type levers on either side of the driver. Pulling back on a lever would steer the car in that direction, and pushing forward would apply the brakes. The thinking there was to prevent injuries and sudden death from head on crashes where the driver was impaled by the steering column. Obviously that idea never bore fruit. I'm guessing it was too radical to think people could adjust their steering and braking habits. So they made collapsible steering columns and air bags instead. :crazy:

I suppose I could get used to the hydraulic engine, but I'd need some off road practice before I would feel comfortable on the road. Maybe that's why the idea never caught on. The learning curve was too steep. The only similar experience I did have was when we went to Burmuda one year. That's British owned and everybody drives on the left side of the road. Wife and I rented a motor scooter to tour the island, which was generally a full day's rental. We brought it back after about an hour during which time I could not adjust to making right hand turns and ending up in the correct lane. LOL

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 13 Apr 2019, 11:38
by Kellemora
It was so long ago, I forgot about another car I got to drive. Instead of the big steering wheel, it had two smaller steering wheels, one for each hand. Still had the post though, because the steering wheels were like a T-bar.
Similar to some 1976 cars, it had variable ratio power steering when I loved in my Trans-Am, but this was a good decade before then. I can't say the T-bar with two smaller steering wheels was any safer than a large steering wheel.

We used to have a Bobcat on the farm, it was controlled by levers instead of a steering wheel. I don't think trying to drive at high speed in a car using steering levers would be very safe at all. I wouldn't want to try it. Even on the Bobcat, running back from the field to the garage was tricky enough keeping it going straight, even though it did have a Trim Knob to balance the levers to go straight, something always pulled it off course.

I had an old mail truck for a couple of years that had the steering wheel on the right side. The only thing that threw me off with it was trying to parallel park. One would think it would be easier since you are on the side you are parking on, but it wasn't. Not if you are used to parking a normal car. It's like all your angles are off by four feet, hi hi.
I do wish it was a Grumman mail truck instead of a Jeep model, I could have sold it for a lot more money.

I've been under the weather the past couple of days. It started with a cold and turned into the flu, so I spent almost all day yesterday and last night in bed. Still not quite up to snuff today, so will probably head back to bed in a bit.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 13 Apr 2019, 14:04
by yogi
Never had the pleasure of driving a Bobcat, but I can imagine the problems of keeping it moving in a straight line. Applying that concept to automobiles would need to be more sophisticated. I'm certain they would engineer the kinks out if they thought it could be popular.

I appreciate your contribution to the conversation here, but I don't need to tell you that your health is way more important. My doctor keeps telling me I should have a flu shot and I keep turning down the offer. Last year I had a full blown case of it but never was bed ridden. This year I might have had a touch of it for a few days, but it was hardly noticeable. My wife does get the flu shot, and she gets the flu almost every year. Go figure.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 10:35
by Kellemora
I do get the flu shot every year, and immediately after, I go through the same thing as having the flu, only it only lasts for a day. What I have now is going on for almost a whole week already. And their excuse is always the same, this years flu shot did not cover the type of flu everyone is getting.
I even got the pneumonia shot this year to. I usually skipped that one.
It wasn't until my second heart attack that I got the flu shots at all. Didn't trust them! But my heart doc insisted, even though my regular doc didn't push the shots that hard.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 14 Apr 2019, 15:09
by yogi
I'm sure the thinking behind those injections you get is to prevent your body from undergoing undo stresses. All your reserved capacity probably has been depleted. It's got to be a tough call preventing the flu. I think I've been as successful as I have been because I am what you would call a home body. I only go out when I have to and am careful what I touch when I am in public. Besides, I know the theory behind the flu shots and building up the immune system, all of which I believe can be done without injecting a foreign substance into my veins. Most of the time it works, but I do realize we all have different immune systems. It's probably best to follow doctors' orders in any case.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 08:55
by Kellemora
When I used to be out and about working around hundreds of different people every single day, I rarely if ever caught anything from them. Partly because of being exposed naturally in small doses perhaps, my system built up an immunity.
Also at our age, rather than shots, we've already been through the measles, mumps, rubella, etc. the hard way. Which gave us a much stronger immune system than the kids of today get through the shots, which is why some still get the diseases after getting the shots.
I know my doc would not push the shots until after I've had my second heart attack, and now with COPD and Emphysema, he says I probably would not survive something serious which could lead to pneumonia. My lungs are full of phlegm as it is, and hacking it up is an all day daily chore. Adding any more liquid in my lungs would mean it's curtains for me. I no longer have the strength to get it all up as it is. Olde Age is the Pitts, hi hi.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 12:21
by yogi
Mom had COPD, congestive heart failure, a silent heart attack that took out 25% of the organ, and the lord only knows what else. I helped her through the last couple years, but she did pretty well on her own for about a decade. As caregiver I learned a lot about the durability of the human body. In mom's case I think her mental attitude also helped. She laughed at the doctors who told her she was terminal and didn't have long to live. I know all cases are different, but from what I've read from you I think you will be with us for quite a bit more time.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 10:21
by Kellemora
Right now after having the flu for close to two weeks, a lot of things are not right. My O2 drops below 90 at night and my pulse is often close to 100 when I get up.
Normally my resting heart rate is around 65 to 70, and my O2 above 94, usually between 96 and 98.
Right now this very instant, and I've been doing nothing but sitting at my desk here typing.
My O2 is 92, and my pulse is fluctuating between 88 and 91, much higher than normal.
Plus I've picked up this deep cough I've never had before.
Thankfully I do have a doctors appointment tomorrow morning, so maybe something will show up he can do something about, like add another expensive script to my mile high stack of pills.

Normally when I do my daily exercise, my O2 will hold up there around 98, and my goal was to get my pulse up to 116.
Now, just doing my 5 minute warm up walk on flat ground, before I start my exercises, my O2 drops to around 90 to 92 and my heart speeds up to 102 or higher. It hit's 116 while I'm on the stationary bike, and 122 on the treadmill, and the O2 will drop down to around 88. This is what has me worried more than anything else. It's not normal for me.
And just like taking a car into the shop for a problem, it runs like a top while they are checking it.
I'll probably have a nice low heart rate of 65 and O2 of 98 while I'm at the doctors. Par for the course, eh!

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 17 Apr 2019, 16:54
by yogi
I think you told me that you have emphysema. That could explain why your O2 levels are falling. The lungs are not as efficient as they used to be. I don't know how a pulmonologist would assess your situation, but carrying around a tank of oxygen may be a long term fix. Then again, you are also probably not done with the flu yet. That taxes the whole body, not only the lungs.

Doctors take courses in how to interpret what patients tell them. LOL I get the feeling that they basically think we are stupid and can't explain properly what's going on in our body. That's probably true in a lot of instances, but you can provide your doctor with some insights. You have a lot of measurements that you can show him so that you being normal during the office visit may not be as normal as he would otherwise think. If you log the readings you are taking I'm sure the doctor would be interested in seeing them. It's pretty hard to discount hard numbers, but the doctor will need to interpret what it all means.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 18 Apr 2019, 15:29
by Kellemora
When my heart doctor started having me do exercises three days a week, this included checking blood pressure, resting heart rate, CO2 levels, before, during, and after the exercises.
Some of the medicines I'm on do control my heart rate, keeping it around 65 to 70 bpm at rest. So my goal in the beginning was to get my heart rate up to 95 to 100 during my exercises. Then this was increased with a goal of 116 bpm.
My O2 usually stayed above 96, and often as high as 98, even while exercising, which was good.
But sometimes I would start feeling like I was suffocating, like I was getting no oxygen, but the meter read 98.
This is how they determined I'm one of those who retain CO2, which is bad.
So I had to learn a new type of breathing exercise which helps dispel more CO2. Hard and tiring to do too.

After I got a cold week before last, which changed to the flu last week and into this week. My morning O2 which used to always be above 96, was down to 88 several mornings in a row, and my heartbeat was between 95 and 101 in the morning. Now lying in bed all night doing nothing means my resting heart rate is what was at 95 or above, not good at all.
I would sit up on the edge of the bed trying to do my breathing exercises, while at the same time hacking up all the phlegm that built up throughout the night. Once I get that out of my system, the O2 comes back up to around 92 to 94, but then my nose starts dripping like water through a sieve. This goes on for about a half hour. Then I can get up, get dressed, go eat a small breakfast so I can take my pills. Finally, my heart rate drops back down where it belongs, and the O2 comes back up where it normally sits.

Today at my doctors appointment, they gave me two shots in the buttocks, one in each cheek. One to make sure I don't get a bronchial infection from the excess phlegm, and the other to help with the dry hack I picked up. I was coughing so hard it could end up giving me a stroke, thus the reason for the second shot in the other cheek.
So now I'm sitting at my desk on a rolled up pillow, positioned like the banana seat on a bicycle to ease the soreness from the shots, hi hi.

On the bright side, the doc didn't call the undertaker for me this visit, and may have actually done some good.
I conned the NPC to order a bottle of the medicine used in a nebulizer, and when I admitted mine was old and I wasn't sure where it was, she said I need a new clean one, so ordered a couple of those for me. I have a fish aquarium air-pump here I can use to power it, unless the nurse is getting me set up with the whole system like they did once before, when I had an infection from some chemical or toxic dust I inhaled while watching them blow up the old bridge. Fortunately, the raw esophagus cleared up only three days, and they wouldn't write me another script for the nebulizer.

Don't know what was in those shots they gave me, but I really do feel better than I have in two weeks, except for a mighty sore behind, hi hi.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 18 Apr 2019, 18:27
by yogi
As you undoubtedly know the heart, lungs, and kidneys all work together. lf one fails it is likely to affect the others as well. I'm guessing your lungs could not keep the O2 coming fast enough so the heart started to pump faster to make up for it. The other organs in your body need that O2 no matter what. Especially the brain. I guess it's good news that the doctors felt they could treat the source of the problem and gave you those shots. Otherwise it means treating the symptoms because the organs are too far gone to recover.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 19 Apr 2019, 10:19
by Kellemora
They were worried about a possible bacterial infection, so gave me the strongest antibiotic on the market Amok-Clav.
I'm not exactly allergic to penicillin based drugs, but I do have some unpleasant reactions. Like severe hiccups for an entire week that really tire me out.
The shots have only seemed to help the odd new cough for one day, it's back, but not as bad.

On a different note:
I do an update/upgrade on my computers every week. More often if my Linux Mint machine shows a new update.
All of my machines except this one, the Silver Yogi, updates everything. But for some reason, even though Google Chrome was installed through Synaptic, it wasn't upgrading, and I thought it was.
So I kept ignoring the warning my browser was out of date.
I jumped into Synaptic to check it there, and sure enough it showed it had not upgraded, so I ran an upgrade, which brought me from version 65, all the way up to version 73, the current stable release.
I'm wishing I didn't upgrade. They made so many changes, not all of them beneficial either.
But the worst thing for me is the scroll wheel does not work properly when I'm in the Flash Player window. Instead of zooming in on the contents in the Flash Player, and/or moving a list item up and down through the list, it tries to move the entire browser page. So I have to use the little buttons instead to do the things that used to work with the scroll button.
Plus there are several other little annoyances they've added, like things that only needed one click, now require either two clicks, or if that don't work, you have to reload the page to get the click to work at all.

To make sure it was not something to do with dependencies, I uninstalled both Flash and Chrome and reinstalled. Still works the same way, with the same problems. Plus the visual changes make it look funny over what I was used to.
I ran over to Linux Mint on the other machine to see if it worked properly over there before I tried anything else on this machine. It does the same things on Linux Mint.
Went down to the house on Debi's Win7 machine, because she has the latest browser and flash there too. Her's was like mine, so I asked her about it. She said she quit using the scroll wheel at all about three upgrades ago, because it quit working right back then.
Makes one wonder why when they have a good working web browser, they go and start making a mess of it.
But it seems par for the course on almost all software, programs, and on-line use items.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 19 Apr 2019, 20:01
by yogi
Google Chrome and Adobe Flash both rank up near the top of my Apps To Avoid List, but I do use both out of a personal necessity. I did a quick search on the scroll problem and was not disappointed. LOL

The scroll/zoom problem, as you describe it, could be related to either the browser or to Adobe's Flash. After reading this forum article < > I am leaning in the direction of Flash causing the problem. There have been multiple security issues with Flash over the years and it has in fact been banned in most browsers. Adobe gave up fixing it for a while, but they seem to be back on the support track these days. The situation in any case is poor at best. Because all of the problems past and present, it's still a good idea to not use Flash if at all possible. A good part of the problem is that the app/game developers have not kept pace with the improvements in Flash or the way modern browsers render things in 2019. Thus when a browser or Flash gets an update, that puts the app/game into the Not-Working-Anymore box.

One suggestion I could make is that when you uninstall an app, such as Google Chrome Browser, not everything gets deleted. This is particularly true in Windows but does happen in Linux too. There is a user profile that contains all the settings and is more or less permanent. You need to delete that profile to force the browser to create a new one from scratch. Of course you will lose all your custom settings, but that might be exactly what you need to fix the scroll/zoom function in Chrome. There is an option in the advance settings to delete all data since the beginning of time. I'm not sure that's enough. You got to find the directory with the actual profile and delete that profile manually in order to be certain it's all gone. There are a couple programs in Windows that I know about and will find those hidden files; some are registry entries. My guess would be that Linux has a config file or two buried deep within it's bowels that will do the same thing. Anyway, at best this solution will just put you back at square one. It may or may not fix the problem.

Re: Another Win For Linux

Posted: 20 Apr 2019, 12:37
by Kellemora
That article is about a totally different issue, we all know about.
The game developer is who controls zoom inside the flash window, has nothing to do with the browser.

What Google Chrome has done in their new release is fail to give the Flash Window FOCUS.
So whether your cursor is inside the flash window or not, Google still maintains control of it for the entire page.

I had not upgraded since version 65, so my jump was clear up to version 73, when I discovered the problem.
There is a lot of talk on-line about this problem, and apparently it started around version 69.

In Google Chrome version 65.0.3325.181, which is the one I was using, here is what the scroll wheel could do.
When in Focus on the web page, scroll would raise or lower the page, CTRL-Scroll would zoom the page in and out.
When in a Flash Window, scroll would zoom in and out the playfield displayed inside the flash window, up to the limits set by the game programmer. However, using CTRL-scroll while in the Flash Window would enlarge the Flash Window itself, and everything inside the flash window at the same time, but you could then use just the scroll wheel to bring it back down to the zoom level you like. The game programmer changed our zoom levels from 0 to 10 to only 1 to 8 a long time ago.

In Google Chrome version 73, the one I'm using now. Using the scroll wheel inside the Flash Window does zoom the playfield inside the window, while at the same time moving the web page itself up and down, and as such moves the flash screen up and down, a royal mess. If you use CTRL-scroll the whole web page grows as it should, but it shouldn't do that if you are in the flash window, it should enlarge the flash player screen only.

On other words, this version of Google Chrome has messed up a lot of things. Plus their new tabs are hideous, they now longer have a red circle on the hovered X, and several other minor visible issues not relevant to use of the browser, just cosmetic stuff they messed up.

I could go back and uninstall Google Chrome and try older versions until I find one that works, or jump all the way back to version 65 that I know works, but then we get the message to upgrade to a new version that doesn't work, hi hi.

There are over 30 million people playing games that require Flash Player on Farcebook alone. There is no alternative platform, and HTML5 is only a display, not a multi-level graphical gaming platform. That's one hell of a lot of money being dumped into supporting these game providers, and they are not going to let Adobe stop maintaining the source of their bread and butter. At least not until an alternative method that works is developed.

Java is considering adding ActionScript to JavaScript so the big Flash Games can run on HTML5, but they won't be near as fast or pretty, nor will they have all the features of the Flash version of the game.
A few of the games are considering running on-line, sorta like Farm Town does now, but still requires Flash Player to play the game. They are experimenting with in-house players of various designs, trying to emulate what the Flash Player does, but this is a monumental undertaking for a single gaming company to do.

Honestly though, I don't really see about two dozen multi-million dollar companies shutting down overnight and lose all of that revenue over Flash, they will keep flash going at all costs to protect their own interests.